“Allah bless us and bless our families and bless our Lord. Lead us on the straight path—the path of all prophets: Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad.”
These were the words that rang out over the congregation at The General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church, USA meeting in Portland, Oregon. Wajidi Said, co-founder of the Muslim Education Trust, led the attendees in the prayer to the Islamic deity—a move arranged by the Ecumenical and Interfaith ministry staff at the assembly.
The prayer was part of the “first order of business” during the meeting’s opening session, a time dedicated to praying for those affected by the Orlando shooting that occurred just weeks before.
“In the name of Allah, the beneficent, the merciful, let us praise the Lord … Peace be upon them and peace be upon Allah,” Said prayed. He also prayed peace on the “bigots” and “Islamaphobes.”
Later, at the conclusion of the session, Rev. Gradye Parsons offered an apology to anyone who was offended by the prayer. He assured the congregation that mistakes can be made, but the prayer was not an intentional one.
“It was never the intention to offend anyone, and we offer an apology to those who were offended,” Rev. Parsons said.
But the Presbyterian church still affirms that it will advocate for “positive relationships with people of other religious traditions” and is committed to fighting “the rise in Islamophobia.”
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I’m proud to be an LCMS Lutheran. We will stand firm to the end.
be careful about having pride… and being a part of that church that approves gay marriage .. apostate
LCMS Lutherans do not approve of any marriage out side of one man and one woman. Nor do we ordain homosexuals…
Get your synods straight. LCMS Lutherans are very conservative and strictly Bible-based. We do NOT condone homosexuality in any way, but approve only of marriage between one man and one woman. You are thinking of ELCA, who have strayed from the Lutheran beliefs and DO condone homosexuality and ordain women and gays. As for pride, I am a proud child of God, brought to faith only by and through Him, through no power of my own. My pride is in Him, not myself.
The Lutheran church is a VOLAG working with the state department to resettle Muslim regugees in the USA with strict rules not to impose Christianity on them. Why would they not focus on Christian refugees? They are just as bad as others and are in it for the profit only.
Do some research before you make stupid, ignorant comments.
Lutheran social services
They are affiliated with ELCA, not LCMS. ELCA has nothing in common with us but a name and somewhat shared history. They have turned their backs on most everything truly “Lutheran” like gay marriage, women in the ministry, and abortion.
True Lutheran Services along Catholic Charities are beyond my comprehension complicit in bringing thousands of those who wish to extinguish Christianity.
“But the Presbyterian church still affirms that it will advocate for “positive relationships with people of other religious traditions” and is committed to fighting ‘the rise in Islamophobia.'”
Too bad it isn’t just as committed to fighting the global rise in anti Semitism.
Too bad its no longer Christian.
No prophet from autside israel
King James Version
147:19 He sheweth his word unto Jacob, his statutes and his judgments unto Israel.
147:20 He hath not dealt so with any nation: and as for his judgments, they have not known them. Praise ye the LORD.
Thanks, that is a very good answer.
You are welcome. God bless you
“No Prophet from outside Israel” is a false assertion. After Christ died and rose again he broke the wall of partition by reconciling not just Jews but also Gentiles unto God. That’s why He commanded the disciples to spread the good news of the kingdom to Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria and to the uttermost part of the world.
This great commission was largely fulfill by Apostle Paul. During his earthly ministry many Gentiles received Christ, were sanctified and received the gift of the Holy Ghost and therefore became partakers of all spiritual gifts (I Corinthians 12:13). Now if you study Ephesians 4:1-13 you will discovered that all who are filled with the Spirit are given various gifts such are made Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Teachers and Pastors. These spiritual gifts and offices are given to all whether they be Jews or Gentiles.
Yes, I agree but only in the Spirit. But none is appointed as prophet. All prophets are there to give prophecies about Jesus. Jesus already came. The prophet age is ended after the apostle John.
“For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.”
So technically Mohammad cant be called a prophet for he lived after Jesus.
I don’t understand your statement when you said “I agree but only in the Spirit”. All old testament prophets prophesied in and through the Spirit (Eze. 11:5, Micah 3:8) and were called and appointed by God. I don’t want to add other passages. All new Testaments prophets are called and appointed by God the Son i.e Jesus Christ. The only difference is that while the old prophets prophesied only to the house of Israel (Old Testament Church), the new prophesies to the redeemed of Christ (New Testament Church). Check 1 Corin. 12:28,29; 1 Corin. 14:29,32; Ephe. 2:20; Ephe. 3:5. Their purpose was and is to edify the people of God and this they did and are doing through the Spirit without which they won’t be able to function in their office.
“For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.” That was another way of Christ saying that the old order of things are coming to an end and a new is established by Him. It does not in any way means that the prophetic office was being abolished.
“So technically Mohammad cant be called a prophet for he lived after Jesus.” Mohammad was a fake prophet used by the devil. After the death of Christ, nobody can be called a prophet who is not a child of God by being saved. He was used of the devil to establish a false religion. He wasn’t a Christian or a believer.
Presbyterians are heretical cunts anyway. Just burn that church.
Presbyterians are not heretical at all, its just that Presbyterian Church.
Jesus was right…most of Christianity would be deceived by Satan and would fall away before He returned.
You know why? Because the humanist could care less what the Word of God reads (AV1611). All they are interested in is “I think,” “I feel,” and “That’s good enough for me.” It is one of the biggest reasons why we have so many versions to the Bible to begin with. NIV, TNIV, NKJV, NASV, etc.
Personally, I prefer the NIV. I have difficulty concentrating and remembering. This version I can wrap my brain around and enjoy God’s Word.
Assuming you have a King James Bible as well, find Acts 8:37 in it, then find it in the NIV. Then write me back and tell me what you notice.
^^^ 100% truth right there. You know why so many people shy away from the King James? They say they can’t understand it, the “thees” and “thous” are too hard. That’s not it though, they are not saved, and if you are not saved then you cannot understand the word of God. So they have to use SATANIC versions like the NIV or other Catholic created modern bible “perversions”. The King James is the perfectly preserved word of God in the English language. And your right, the “religious” don’t care. They are deceived, it’s more important to fit into the world and not make waves then it is to believe the truth.
Show me BIBLICALLY where the KJV is the “perfectly preserved Word of Gd in the English language”. It was translated as a common English version of the Greek and Hebrew scripture at that time, based off of manuscripts discovered at the time. SInce then, many more original Biblical manuscripts and older manuscripts have been discovered that shine light on intentional and unintentional mistakes made in the KJV translation.
“SInce then, many more original Biblical manuscripts…” “Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.” Matthew 22:29
So you take a scripture out of context that has nothing to do with the question I posed…really?
Then take it up with God and prove it to Him.
Wait until a KJVO cites Psalm 12:6-7 as proof that God intended only the KJV to be “the Bible.”
Chris, give up. These types will never argue fairly or with any real intelligence. I came out of KJVO cult. As soon as they realize they have no argument to defend what they believe, they start to attack you personally and will even spit Bible verses out of context to attack you. Be at peace that you have a well translated version of God’s word, which contains a clear gospel, and just ignore the KJVO trolls. They only seek attention.
i saw on the internet that the kjv was jesus’ favorite version… lol
Bobsbride2 – you are correct! I’ve witnessed it time and time again. My family has been the direct target of that hateful cult. That are essentially brainwashed.
Be very careful of changing the one true gospel by adding anything to it other than faith in Jesus Christ to receive salvation, as the KJV clearly states. To judge someone as “not saved” because they “can’t understand” the KJV is wrong. Adding understanding of the language a Bible is written in as a proof of one’s salvation will get you into trouble with God for changing the gospel. Read Galatians 1:1-9. If you can’t read/understand a Bible written in Chinese, does this mean you are not saved because you can’t “understand it”? How about the Russian Bible? Why don’t you go try to read a Bible written in early English (Germanic) and see how well you can read it. Be very careful of how you judge, or else you will be judged by the same measure.
Correct ,and these days with the young texting . and the word ” M8 ” and they say they cannot read the KJV , Its all lazyness, If they can learn texting language then the KJV bible is childs play.
i dont text…
NASB and ESV are my preferred choice and it has nothing to do with the archaic language of the KJV. I prefer a version that came out after more manuscripts were found and translated.
The King James is not the most Accurate, but I still like it. There are thousands of translations from the beginning of time. It is amazing to research how they came about and who wrote what and how they were influenced to word or change wording of other translations.
even today, nobody knows the EXACT pronunciation, but that was the accepted translation at that time.. the wrong thing is leaving it out..
what is the shambles at 1 corinthians 10: 25? most people wouldnt know without looking it up.. ps: if the kjv is the perfect word of god, then why do they keep revising it?
Actually if you know anything about ‘textual criticism’, you’ll find that Acts 8:37 is not in the great majority of the earliest manuscripts. The committee that puts together the NIV would have decided on the basis of the textual evidence that Acts 8:37 was most certainly not original to the earliest Greek texts and so they have judiciously decided to leave it out, as it was most certainly not written by Luke. The earliest manuscripts containing Acts 8:37 appear in the 6th Century AD; earlier manuscripts, dating from as early as the 3rd Century AD curiously leave it out.
Trying to keep this short, just click on the link below (if you can’t see it, let me know.) http://www.av1611.org/attack.html
wow all this arguing about a “translation” you do know that there are other translations right? english is not the authority of the Bible. If you want a truthful read, read it in the original language then all your arguing will cease. I do Hebrew/Aramaic and Greek, then all of this goes out the window.
“Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.” Matthew 22:29
If God can speak through a Donkey he can speak through various translations. I have a KJV, a NKJV, an ASB, The Message, an NIV, etc. I’ve studied them all for the better part of 40 years. All of them are worthless without the Holy Spirit. With the Holy Spirit, all of them are priceless.
Based on your logic, no one needs the blood of Christ to go to heaven. That is why you don’t see anything wrong with the lot of them. “Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old timed by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.” 2 Peter 1:20-21 Maybe, I reiterate Matthew 22:29. Why don’t you take the issue up with the God you claim to believe in? All you have been able to do is tell me how you feel about the issue. What does that prove? Like I said, take it up with God. Prove to Him anything will do “just because” a book has the words “Holy Bible” on front.
Let me guess, you’re a Calvinist too. Right?
What did I state would lead you to believe I support the tulip lie?
Generally people who try and paint God into a corner are usually Calvinists as well. It kinda goes with the territory. I kinda relate to you though. I used to think I knew it all too, I had God all figured out, liked to bully people with my Bible knowledge, pass McCarthyistic judgements, throw around scriptures I only thought I understood, all so I could show people how educated I was….until God slapped me with Romans 1:22. Quick, go look it up!
I proclaim to be no such thing. All I’m doing is quoting the Word of God. You are the one having a problem with it. I wrote “Based on your logic, no one needs the blood of Christ to go to heaven.” because you stated: “The Message, an NIV, etc. I’ve studied them all for the better part of 40 years. All of them are worthless without the Holy Spirit.” So show me where the Holy Spirit is in a lie? Telling me you have been studying for 40 years, you just as well told me you have only been studying for 40 days. What do I mean by that? If you can show me where the Holy Spirit support a book that declares we don’t need the blood of Jesus Christ to go to heaven, have at it! Prove it from the NIV that you declare is good enough! Quote it, do not paraphrase it. Then prove I have back God into a corner.
You just proved everything I said. It’s people like you that come at others with an attitude of “I know it all”, when all you might know is a few words of a book. You’ve fallen for a lie that is based on the arrangement of certain words while missing the very one that inspired them. It’s obvious you don’t know God. Painfully obvious. It’s people like you that chase people away from God. Your testimony is poisonous.
I’m not having an attitude, you are just trying to spin the issue because you can’t back up your claims of what is “good enough”. Go to the av1611(dot) org website and write Terry Watkins who owns the site. Ask him about the one million dollar offer that took place years ago (over 30 plus to my knowledge) where if one believed they could prove the King James Bible is not “the” Word of God in English, they were given the opportunity to prove it. Ask him about the results of it.
No argument that the KJV is the word of God. I never said it wasn’t. But what you are saying is no other translation is. That’s hogwash. It’s like saying a Ford truck is only a Ford if it’s green and has 4WD while a red Ford truck with 2WD is not a Ford truck. If I took your position, then I would have to assume that every English speaking person who lived before 1611 died and went to hell. That’s absurd.
Here’s one for you, is the Salvation message contained in the NIV? If a person in a mud hut only had an NIV, and that’s all they could get, should they throw it away? “If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.”
Romans 10:9 NIV
Not sure what your motivation is, but it’s pretty clear you KJV only folks worship a book, the ink on its pages, and not the God that wrote it.
You still didn’t answer the question. Show me where the blood is since you claim to be a Christian. However, no surprise. “…ye have PERVERTED the words of the living God…” Jeremiah 23:36
Dude, you seriously need help. You don’t even know me and you pass judgement on me every single time I respond. At least it appears that way. However, it’s hard to tell for sure because your responses are filled with such gibberish I’m not sure you even know where you are going.
“However, it’s hard to tell for sure because your responses are filled with such gibberish…” I keep telling you to take it to God and prove it to Him. Then you can tell Him His word is gibberish. What I actually did was take your comment when you tried to mislead me into believing that the Holy Spirit was in the NIV and I took His Word (AV1611) and proved you a liar. Or to refer to Acts 5:3: “…why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie…”
Hebrews 9:11-28New International Version (NIV)
The Blood of Christ
11 But when Christ came as high priest of the good things that are now already here,[a] he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not made with human hands, that is to say, is not a part of this creation. 12 He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, thus obtaining[b] eternal redemption. 13 The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that they are outwardly clean. 14 How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death,[c] so that we may serve the living God!
You really don’t get it, do you?
“Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.” Deuteronomy 4:2
“Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.” Proverbs 30:6 Yet, you wonder why I call you a liar?
“For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” Revelation 22:18-19
“For God is not the author of confusion,” 1 Corinthians 14:33
“Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.” 2 Timothy 3:7 Now refer to 2 Corinthians 4:4.
“The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.” Psalm 12:6 This is why the NIV will “never” be “good enough” Nor will the Holy Spirit ever be able to be found in such corruption. You need not write me anymore. You take it up with Jesus and prove it to him.
Actually, you are the one who doesn’t get it. Just because you have memorized the word does not mean you know the Lord. You write and write and write, yet you fail to convince…simply because you show you don’t get the full picture. You don’t understand the ways of God. Obviously. You might want to try prayer. Prayer for wisdom.
Do you not think God can communicate to HIS creation through different translations? Translations that are only different in how things are paraphrased? In fact, every single translation from one language to another is a paraphrase. You cannot translate word for word from one language to another. It does not work that way. This is exactly why I wondered if you are a Calvinist as well. Like a Calvinist you fool yourself into thinking you have God, and his word figured out without question. When in fact your pride has made you blind.
Until you can prove God supports a lie, you have nothing more to say to me.
Ok, I’ll turn it around a bit. Prove to me God either will not, or cannot, use varying translations to communicate to His creation. And don’t use scriptures taken out of context as you usually do. The fact is, you can’t prove that. You can assume it, possibly back it up partially with scripture, but you can’t ultimately prove it.
I’ll ask you another question…Do you believe God can use a single verse to communicate to two different people in two different ways?
You, DADDY-O, are just as much of a narrow-minded BIGOT as McCarthy here, with your constant slander of “Calvinist” Christians, such as myself (of course, there’s no blinding “pride” in you Arminians, is there now…)
Ok, let’s be fair. How did I slander you? Maybe I challenged your thinking, yes, but I did not slander you. If you are so sure of your position, why does my challenge upset you so much? Is that not pride? If not, what is it? Did God decree you to be defensive, or did you do that on your own free will?
“Generally people who try and paint God into a corner are usually Calvinists as well. It kinda goes with the territory.”, and, “This is exactly why I wondered if you are a Calvinist as well. Like a Calvinist you fool yourself into thinking you have God, and his word figured out without question. When in fact your pride has made you blind”, and, “Did God decree you to be defensive, or did you do that on your own free will?”…YOUR words, Daddy-O…”fair” enough? (btw, If you wish to “challenge my thinking”, then DO SO, as an intelligent person would, not resorting to ad hominems and unprovable “generalizations”; Scripture, reason, history, please…otherwise, keep your bigoted opinions of those who differ from you, to yourself….)
So, you are not a Calvinist, or you are a Calvinist? I am not a Calvinist.
I already acknowledged that, yes, I identify with (in the main) with what is called “Calvinism”, “Reformed” theology, and yes, your disdain/belittling of Calvinists in this thread, obviously shows that you are not a “Calvinist”…though I don’t freak out or get hung up on labels, the term “Calvinist/Calvinism” too easily permits the ignorant/uninformed to tag a particular theology to a certain man, trash the man, and thus, the theology the man held to; this approach is fallacious, because, 1) ad hominem attacks prove nothing, and 2) what is called “Calvinism” was/is held by many, before and after Calvin, thus cannot be pegged onto Calvin alone…
I do have to ask, why are you so defensive and hostile? For someone who has God completely figured out, I would think none of this discussion would bother you.
Just a typical Arminian non-response…I challenge you, to actually discuss the issues intelligently, and this is how you respond, with more infantile vitriol, accusing me (who you don’t even know) of “having God completely figured out”, which makes you a liar/slanderer, and liable to eternal perdition…be warned…you have an evil mind, and a big mouth; it’s gonna get you in trouble some day…
We’ll, I do know this. I’ve been walking with Jesus for 45 years now. I’ve been studying his word now for that long as well. There was a time when I thought I had God all figured out as well. The further I go, the more I realize there is more to learn and I find God infinitely greater than I can completely understand. Calvinism and Armeninism are both the product of the thinking of fallible humans. Neither completely hold water. But, I will say this James, YOU my friend are a bully. There is no hint of the Love of Christ in any of your responses. Likewise the allegations you lay against me are a mirror with an image of yourself.
I came in here, as a friend of mine sent the link, re the Presbyterians/Allah issue; NOTHING TO DO w/Calvin/Armin, yet, you just had to throw your vitriol at Christians such as me, who differ theologically from you…I “called you out”, to stop this, and to actually discuss, civilly the issues, if you desired, yet all you do in response, is to make more vitriolic accusations against myself, a man you don’t know at all, that I “have God totally figured out”…if calling you on your un-Christian slanders makes me a “bully”, I wear it with pride; mark it, however, it marks you as worse: like John Wesley and Dave Hunt before you, you are not only a lying bully, you are a coward, to boot…good day to you sir, and may God have mercy on your soul…(btw, when you pray tonight, to this “Jesus” (?) you “walk with” these long 40+ years, ask him if he is pleased with you, making censorious judgments against other Christians who disagree with you, and judging the heart of myself, a man you don’t even know!!)
The “KJV only” cultists never have an answer for those who are non English speakers.
I guess Jesus died only for the English speaking world.
Well the even sadder thing is when Americans get depressed because the US is apparently not in the Bible, as if it were the center of the universe. Most of these cultists think the Bible is written for Americans.
So tell us who is the Bible not written for since you claim to be smarter than God.
No. They get depressed because they know America won’t be here much longer.
Then show us from the Bible were we are suppose to? No one denies the KJV is written for the English speaking people. So what is your point?
If you’re KJV only, how are you not forced to concede Jesus died to save only those who speak English? That is the logical, though absurd conclusion.
And it’s utter heresy.
Jesus Himself did not speak the King’s English. He spoke Hebrew and Aramaic.
I don’t know who told you to believe such and ignorant comment, but I sure hope they are not allow to stand behind a pulpit or are allowed to call themselves a professor on any subject. I have read some twisted comment before but your really is on the deep end.
Merely applying your own logic. Again I ask, if you insist upon KJV only, how would a non English speaker read the Bible or be discipled?
“Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.” Proverbs 26:4
Thank you for the reminder that God didn’t appoint me to be the jackass whisperer to people like you.
he might have had a jewish accent
Ye she did. His name, according to those translations is “Jehovah”, not “allah” or Jesus. But now the translations are removing his name completely and replacing it with “God”, which is a mere title.
One wonders, too, why KJVOnlyists don’t speak in Elizabethan English all the time. Many pray using it in church, but they forget to use it in every day life. If it’s the way the Bible is supposed to be read, with all the “thees” and “thous” and other odd outmoded British English words, then aren’t they sinning by not using this most blessed language at all times? I love how they even get legalistic over the spelling of “SavioUr.” You are sinning if you don’t spell it in the Latin form still used by the Brits and Canadians.
Well let’s just cut to the chase of it. Your little link says, “Did God Almighty NOT know what He was “inspiring”? Does the Lord need these “Bible correctors” to “help” Him “straighten-out” His word? “….Guess what??? The KJV was not “inspired” by God. It is a TRANSLATION of the available manuscripts at that time….a translation into what was everyday language at the time it was translated. Are there bad translations…YES. Is there bad translating work in the th KJV…yes. There is ZERO biblical evidence to suggest that the KJV “translation” is inspired by God……..it is a translation of the inspired word of God….nothing more…nothing less…..by placing “inspiration” from God upon a particlular translation, YOU are the one defiling the original and inerrant Word of God.
I only have to answer to God what I believe. Not what anyone else believes I know what the information states at the link. I didn’t post it for nothing. “Knowing this first, that no* prophecy of the scripture is of any private terpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old timed by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
So what about all the English speaking people who lived before the 1611 KJV was completed? Were they doomed for damnation since they used the Geneva Bible or the Wycliffe translations? And, what about those who purchase a KJV from a bookstore today but don’t know it’s not a genuine 1611, but it’s updated or revised? From 1611 until now, the King James Bible has undergone a grand total of 421 word changes.
How do we know the KJV is the only acceptable Bible for the English language? Who made the call? If we say God made the call, then it should be found in His word. Book, chapter, verse The problem is, it’s not. Someone, somewhere, years ago, started this ideaology.
We can’t perfectly translate Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek into English. So, translators do the best they can. They did so when translating to make the KJV, and they have done so with other word for word versions such as the NASB.
Also, which other Bibles are the preserved Word of God for other languages such as Russian, or French? How do we know?
I’m not anti-KJV. I read it. If that’s what you use, then great. Keep using it. My point is that it’s difficult to post something as doctrine when in fact it’s a preference or ideology.
King James Bible I John 4:2
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
New International Version
This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,
Both are God’s word, as is proven by the fact that they both recognize Jesus as God in the flesh who was born of a virgin, suffered, died for our sins, and rose again to conquer death. Quit arguing with one another, and agree that Jesus is the only way. Allah, Budda, good works, Hinduism, humanism, and all the others are the lie.
“We can’t perfectly translate…” “How do we know…” “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.” Isaiah 55:8-9 “Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.” Proverbs 3:5-7 “Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.” John 17:17
My NIV tells me that some manuscripts say exactly what you said it leaves out. I’m not trying to argue. Only thought you might like to know.
Also, in other cases, such as Philippians 4:13, the KJV actually “added” the Word “Christ” so when you read it in the NIV, you think it’s been deleted. When the truth is the original manuscripts did not contain the “title” Christ. It simply said, “I can do all things through him who gives me strength.”
I am a Christ follower and do my best to live this out. I’m as conservative as they come, socially, fiscally, and politically. And I love my NIV. I also read the KJV, NKJV, the ESV, the Message, the ever so despised “Voice” translation, among many, many others.
I can tell you that most of my memory verses are in KJV, but even if they were not, “NO ONE could snatch me from Christ’s hand.”
We’re not the enemy sir. “For our battle is not against flesh and blood…”
“The Lord bless you and keep you. The Lord turn HIS face toward you and be gracious to you. The Lord lift up HIS countenance upon you and give you peace.” Numbers 6:24-26 (Emphases added)
Is the word “Christ” italicize? If not, no, it was not added. Try this: Read the verses without the italicizes words; then read them using them and tell me what you notice?
original manuscripts didnt italicize or capitalize.. that came later… we dont talk like they did when the kjv was written
If you are going to use that “logic” then you and everyone else ONLY needs to read the scripture in the original Greek and Hebrew, because even the KJV was “translated” so it it would accessible and “easier to understand” by the people of the time. Most of the adjustments in the NIV compared to the KJV are due to more original manuscripts being found that helped correct mistranslations and added verse in the original KJV. The KJV is NOT the original Word of God, so people need to stop worshipping it like it is.
so true! The original translations even had God’s name thousands of times. IN English, it is Jehovah. As translations have occurred, they removed it entirely and replaced it with “God”, saying it sounded more “poetic” Now people seem ashamed even of his name. God is a title, not a name. Jesus is his son and came to glorify his father as we are supposed to do. Now we have preachers even praying to a false god under the pretense of getitng “along with other religions”. what a mess
It was not jehovah ,Because the LETTER ” J ” did not come into the english alphabet until about 500 years ago ,and there was NO ” J ” in the Hebrew Language .
Ok If you want to get technical, you are right, but whether you pronounce it Yahweh or Jehovah, or other interpretations from original scripture through the years, the point is , Charles, God is a title and not a name. And God has a NAME. We don’t call you “man” because your name is Charles. That was my point. And people today have to realize there are many “gods” in this world including Satan himself, so we need to be careful who we pray to and how we label the true God, the father of Jesus.
It does not matter really, Charles. In Hebrew it was Tetragrammation. Closest translation in English is YHWH or JHVH. Do you complain about other Hebrew names like Jeremiah, Joshua, etc, all with the J and H? Just the way Satan leads the people to to try to say God does not have a name. Jehovah is even inscribed on ancient buildings and over doorpost of houses from antiquity!!
” And by my name Jehovah, they knew me not”
Since the Tetragrammaton has no vowels, it is unpronounceable. The prohibition is against SAYING certain names of God as it is against looking at his person. I think some of us may just be displaying our knowledge, or our ignorance, as the case may be. This discussion of names has very little to do with listing Jesus as one among several prophets, and praying to a demonic deity in a Christian church.
Can you please post the most uptodate bible in english that was written in HEBREW ,the Tongue of YHWH , Or do we go to the VERY NEXT BEST THING the KJV 1611.
Chris Borei, Good luck finding an original Greek Text, There are none. Your oldest ” originals” would have come from the Catholic Church when Jerome translated the Alexandian Syrian Text. If you were to study the “Conflate Theory” , a Westcott and Hort fabrication, you would find out how Sinaticus became such a beloved forgery of truth.
I believe ” The Received Text” ( Textus Receptus ) to be the reliable Greek Manuscript. I am not willing to tell God that he goofed it up the first time and had to do numerous do-overs to get us a reliable text. The KJV is the only literal translation of Textus Receptus.
I compel you to look for yourself and decide, rather than using opihions of a theologian that may or may not be a believer.
KJV is not literal. The scholars that translated it from many texts including the Tyndale Bible tried to balance literal with meaning. By your logic, all the world needs to read English. I agree the NIV has many problems and I would take the KJV over it as they throw out too much of the literal. But the English Standard, the Complete Jewish Bible, the Tree of Life Version (Messianic Bible), and others all are good and have strengths. The KJV has MANY mistranslations. The benefit is that it is so well researched that most are well known. It isn’t bad, but it is best to use a couple to study (I don’t have an NIV anymore though).
rdowney, what is your opinion of the Geneva Bible?
what a lunatic
There are thousands of translations. The one thing noone seems to even see anymore is that all those translations in recent years have one thing in common. The name, the personal name, of God has been removed. His name appeared thousands of times in original translations. His name ( in English) is Jehovah. God is a mere title.
Some so called Christians don’t even know his name anymore. Jesus is his son, not God himself. They are one in unity for the same purpose, but not literally. amazing how many people have gotten so far from the true God. Even preachers it seems.
For Pete’s sakes, don’t you KJVOnly people have enough of your own blogs and websites, and videos on Youtube? Leave people alone! All you do is parrot the false claims of Gail Riplinger, and you lack the ability to think critically on your own. Where was God’s word for the entire world before 1611? The NIV contains the gospel and is capable of helping a person know how to be saved. Stop attacking it or you will be in danger of God’s judgment.
1 corinthians 1: 27-29
“… in danger of God’s judgment.” Based on who’s opinion, yours? Satan is proud of you.
Again I warn you to be careful what you say to others about their translations as ours too has been altered.
pleas look into this and look into your Bible and see the stunning truth about the changes being made so subtle in the KJV. It blew my mind.
The KJB is the most inaccurate version of the Bible.
Satan is proud of you.
NIV? What does John 5;4 say in your NIV ,
Does it say this ,John 5:4 For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had.,
the KJV has been changed also in recent years. How can that be? It is true. I have checked the subtle wording changes that have been put in the KJV.
nobody has the original, even the pope..
Base on the catholic church teachings, you don’t need them. The church is the final word.
matthew 15: 8,9
“Ain’t” that the truth!
Well, you are right about the humanist part. But the many different “versions” of the Bible are not versions. They are simply different interpretations trying to bring the original words of the Greek into the best context for those reading it in this day and age. Different scholars will continue to question other’s interpretations of the ancient Greek and Hebrew texts. And considering your next response, if you knew the history of the King James Version, you would also know that it was influenced greatly by the named King himself, who certainly was no scholar. He wanted the English interpretation done as quickly as possible, so many different scholars worked on the different books and then tried to blend them as best they could. It was many years before the obvious errors were removed and even longer before various scholars revised wholesale parts of it based on a better knowledge of the languages used. You need to check and find out how many different versions there have been to the KJV itself.
I don’t know what you mean by quickly done. My understanding is, they prayed for four years about this before the first of anything was ever written. The only error ever noted is on the chick(dot)com website. From what I have learned, it was just a grammar error. Nonetheless, if you read many of the comments made to me on here, we are at the closing of the Church Age and their are many who still do not believe we have God’s Word as He wants us to have it. I doubt another 100 years will go by before Jesus calls the saved up into the air to be with forever with Him but we still don’t have “the” Word of God in English? If people would only ponder what they are saying. They give too much credit to what a man tells them to believe verses what sayeth the Lord.
We are not deceived by Satan, we learned all our lives about God or Satan. Its sad with the World today is going down the drain and Christianity is being taken away and attacked by some.
Stay strong Christians. We are not responsible for the actions of others.
I see Christians everyday, being deceived. Look at the thread above your comment, Ellie. Christians arguing and fighting about Bible versions. It has gone on for days. They have let Satan deceive them into fighting between themselves. Instead of fighting they should have let the Holy Spirit lead them.
They are not arguing, they are discussing that there are no many versions of the Bible and they named some of them…some prefer different ones I guess…
There are some people who can make an argument out of one word…they were born to argue…but they mean nothing really they are people who usually are soft and love one another…like my parents….
“It was never the intention to offend anyone, and we offer an apology to those who were offended,” Rev. Parsons said. Oh YOU don’t owe US the the apology! You might want to buy a Bible and hit your knees very quickly though………….
They need to repent and ask Gods forgiveness!! allah is satan!
They offended God. May they burn in hell.
“But Michael the archangel, when he disputed with the devil and argued
about the body of Moses, did not dare pronounce against him a railing
judgment, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!” Jude 1:9.
In other words God will take care of it. We do not pronounce judgement as God already has.
While I understand the sentiment, the context of that verse is that Lucifer was higher ranked than Michael, and thus would not say anything out of line, but let the Lord rebuke him instead. It is not really a blanket statement for all judgment.
The context is nothing about Lucifer being higher than Michael as Lucifer was already “the devil” by the time Moses was around. The idea is that condemning someone is up to God and not the individual. Telling someone to “burn in hell” is akin to passing judgement. I am not saying we do not have the right to judge according to what has already been judged according to God’s word.
Those who do not accept Christ or those who did and then fall away are already condemned. I hope that clears it up.
Even God takes no delight in destroying the wicked nor wishes to see anything in hell. Are you better than God?
The Catholic Church Stands Mute, too afraid of harming their chimerical and self-defeating “dialogue” with Muslims to stand with fellow Christians. However the Presbyters proudly acknowledge their surrender as protected dhimmi slaves to Muslim masters. What a world! http://tinyurl.com/zrr9tkh
disgusting! We all need to pray for them and hope they repent.
So true! I no longer am shocked by news as this! But it still sickens me.
There are no prophets after the destruction of Jerusalem, 70 AD. Prophets were for the Nation of Israel and all coming after we’re false.
Islam says to kill those who say ‘Jesus is God.’
They believe he was a prophet, not God.
This religious group show their ignorance. They deny our only SOVEREIGN N LORD, Jesus Christ.
Muslims deny Jesus is the Messiah and they deny Jesus was crucified and died on the cross for mankind to save us from our sin and they also deny he rose again from the dead.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
There is only 1 God..
All negated by your least favorite Constitutional amendment. Besides that those 4 commandments cannot be legislated
Well, at least they are clear that they no longer recognize the God of the Holy Bible. Gates are wide open now.
Never mind “offending” anybody. They just allowed a Muslim to blaspheme Jesus by referring to Him among “prophets” instead of His rightful position of God. The Presbyterian Church used to hold to this truth. If it was a “mistake” they should have stopped.the prayer immediately!
Signs of the last days….
It was never the intention to offend anyone, but he knew darn well he was going to offend the entire USA by saying this!!! Had he read what is written in their books and what their attitudes are, he might have changed his mind. I’m so sick of #1 Organized Religion & #2 Political Correctness. Just say it like it is and walk away… Hope his parishioners walk away for good. Or fire him.
They have by their own prayer reduced Jesus Christ to a prophet. So to the presbyterian church Jesus is no longer the Son of God and their Redeemer. That reduces them to a cult in my opinion. Just like islam. Just another cult. They now put a pedophiles name in the same class as our Lord and Savior. How shameful for them to continue to call themselves Christians. As a Baptist I am offended greatly. But we Baptists will stand firm on the Holy Bible and Jesus Christ as our Savior, our Redeemer.
very true James ….many have an spirit of error ….Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.
The greatest trick the devil ever performed was to convince us that he did not exist.
Unbelievable! allah is satan, not God our Creator. I’m stunned! Only in America!!
Yeah it must bother you that any deity or even none of them can be worshiped in this free country
He didn’t say that you did. You can worship your devil, but don’t pretend he is our God.
They must either calling themselves from calling themselves Christian or change back to what they used to believe. They cannot serve two masters.
They are only following the “v”atican’s lead. Like the Great Whore was quoted saying, the god of islam is the god of the catholic church.
Hmmmm the Pope is the head of Islam? That’s a stretch. The Pope is the AntiChrist power though, that much is easily provable
and so they all will be deceived by “beautiful , cunning , words of lies … they will honor satan spiritually ,People have become so stupid and are controlled by their demonic pastors in church >>> Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.
“It was never the intention to offend anyone…” Does that include God?
“Yahweh, He is God; there is no other besides Him.”
“Yahweh, He is God in heaven above and on the earth below; there is no other.”
“And the curse, if you do not listen to the commandments of the LORD your God, but turn aside from the way which I am commanding you today, by following other gods which you have not known.”
“Beware that your hearts are not deceived, and that you do not turn away and serve other gods and worship them.”
“It shall come about if you ever forget the LORD your God and go after other gods and serve them and worship them, I testify against you today that you will surely perish.”
“Be careful to do everything I have said to you. Do not invoke the names of other gods; do not let them be heard on your lips.”
“You shall have no other gods before me.”
“Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me.”
“‘I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me.”
“I am Yahweh, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God.”
He/they shouldn’t be concerned about having offended people. The One that matters is God. And though I would not presume to speak for Him, I would bet He’s pretty offended.
2 Corinthians 11:13-15 ESV
“For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as
apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel
of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as
servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.”
As prophesied, many so-called Christian Leaders and their followers will become “APOSTATES” and follow SATAN in the END days.
I have no words for this blasphemy but I’ll let Paul address it: 2 Timothy 4:2 reprove, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure the sound doctrine; but, having itching ears, will heap to themselves teachers after their own lusts; 4 and will turn away their ears from the truth, and turn aside unto fables.
I cannot Believe that they did this! May God have Mercy on your souls, for you will Surely be Needing it!
Jesus Christ ALONE Lives this day as LORD and Saviour. Mohhamad is Dead!
What ashamed. That priest maybe needs to go.
“Allah bless us and bless our families and bless our Lord. Lead us on
the straight path—the path of all prophets: Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac,
Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad.”————————————————————————–
Abraham – Ishmael – ARE NOT PROPHETS – Abraham was a Patriarch not a prophet. Get a clue.
Mohammad is no prophet – he was demonic. The muslims are following a mad man and evil as well. He had sex with a child named Aisha – Mohammad was 57 Aisha was 9 Get a clue.
I am not the least bit offended that these people have given up their faith in the name of being politically correct. I do feel sorry for them though
First, you should no longer call yourself a church. That is a Christian term. You are an apostate. It is not islamaphobic or bigoted to have faith in Christ alone. You should now call yourself a mosque. You cannot be Christian and not believe in “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” Christ is the seed of Abraham the promise was given to. He was the only sinless person who could pay the penalty for sin so we could be free. He was also God in the flesh and dwelt among us.
trying to vet this post… I can find no proof this was done.. Can anyone give me a lead??
I do believe that you have Unleashed Gods wrath on your church and You Reverend Parsons. This will not go unpunished by God
Keep dreaming America…
Peacefully in bits and pieces
I noticed the slide of Presbyterian pastors into satanic doctrine when they started blessing homosexual unions in 2006. Now it seems their defection to Satan is complete. Their light went out. I pray some will yet escape the clutches of their false doctrine.
I think the whole point of the prayer was to exercise tolerance and understanding. Or have these become concepts alien to Christianity?
Not in the way they did it. How do you throw your truth under the bus for tolerance?
May God bring all the plagues of the earth on them.
Church needs to be burnt to the ground and those retards in it.
they are Not Christians. They do not abide in Christ,they are not
sealed by Holy Spirit, therefore; do not know God or His Word, they are
lost and deceived sinners who think a church can save them. Last days
deception…leading to One World Religion..which is all religions with many different false gods under one roof, which has to renounce Christ and with the false gods,it is taking the mark of the beast. God has let me see this. Yes , joining to religion is taking the mark of the beast. Seer Joan R.
Judgement Day, the Book of Life is opened and the Father ask is Rev. Gradye Parsons name in the book? And the answer is No, Father, it’s been erased as he chose to place Allah in a higher order than You. Can you feel the heat from Hell Fire, Reverend?
“YOU SHALL HAVE NO OTHER ELOHIM BEFORE ME!”
Anyone who didn’t walk out after hearing the words above that “rang out” at the meeting is an idol worshiper and can expect the wrath of Yahweh Elohim.
Cannot be legislated in this free country
Who brought up legislation? Methodists need to read the Bible as much as Presbyterians do.
thankfully the first 4 commandments are between person and God nothing else
PCUSA left the Christian faith a long time ago.
Rev. Parson, go back and get the original translation of the Bible. Then look at the thousands of places where the God of the Holy Bible is mentioned. He tells us his personal name is JEHOVAH. In English, we translate it as Jehovah. Yes, as time has passed, the present translations, even of the King James bible, have removed his name and replaced it with “God”. God is a mere title and there are many gods in this world. All false except The God of the Bible. Your paying allegiance to a false God, Allah, is the worst thing in so called Christianity I have ever heard in my seventy years.Astonishingly ignorant of God’s word. His son, Jesus, is really and truly his son. The false prophet, Mohammed, is one way Satan has misled so many but if you continue to study your Bible, sir, you will see that Christ predicted this very thing. Poor Presbyterians. and you are supposed to be “going into all the world preaching this good news ” of God’s kingdom and look what you have done. Now, sir, you yourself have become a false prophet.
Looks like I’ll be looking for a new church home. Presby’s have been sliding down hill for years. Liberal PC crap has ruined this institution.
I’m insulted by the use of the word “Islamophobia”, as the concerns about radical Islam is neither irrational, nor a psychological disorder. The term was created by the International Institute of Islamic Thought specifically to counter any speech against Islam.
The great whore
That’s too bad for them because Muslims oppose homosexuality and the PCUSA supports homosexuality which makes the PCUSA a house divided against itself that’s crumbling, as we speak. Since even the demons can spot false Christians, then the demons will bring upon the PCUSA what they brought on the false Christians in Acts 19:14-16, “And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so.
15 ‘And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are you?’
16 ‘And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.”
This is when RETARDS are promised something.
THOU SHALL HAVE NO OTHER gods BEFORE ME ,saith YHWH ,
This church has just broken one of the TEN COMMANDMENTS , and if you break just one of these you break them all . I PITY YOUR SOULS , COME OUT OF BABYLON COME OUT OF HER .
How blasphemous! “Thou shall have no other God before me”. Paul talks about the falling away in the last days and the false prophets. Guess we shouldn’t be surprised. Satan himself comes as an angel of light and it is sad that these congregations don’t know the Word of God and will compromise with the world.
JESUS CHRIST IS GOD HIMSELF. ALLAH IS LUCIFER. Write that down.
How does anyone calling themselves Christian get around these two precepts from the Bible: JESUS said I am THE Way THE Truth and THE Life, none comes to the FATHER, except through ME; and GOD shares HIS Glory with NO one!!!!
If I were a member of that church, I would have walked out. That pastor should be removed.
I know where Satan’s seat is. It’s on the Presbyterian American Assembly. “I never knew you, you workers of iniquity.” “There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” Let the pagan god of that anti-Christ religion save them from hell. They are out of their ever loving minds.
The KJV is the best study guide, for the Strong’s concordance is based on the translations of the KJV Bible from the original manuscripts, However the KJV Bible has its share of misinterpretations of the manuscripts as well, I prefer the KJV over the other translations.
I can see where the Presbyterians haven’t read the Scriptures either.
So when do the Muslims say a prayer to God through the Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ
It’s no longer a Presbyterian Church.
I think they need to worry about offending the Lord first. Congregation second.
Allah is NOT My name! For this allah is no god; he is an idol, the works of men written in a book, a graven image!… – Says The God of Jacob.
Here’s a poem from ibn Arabi one of the greatest Muslim mystic
If this isn’t the highest respect for all religions, then what is?
This poem clearly shows that Islam recognizes the presence of Truth in ALL traditions
My heart has become capable of every form:
It is a pasture for gazelles,
And a monastery for Christian monks,
And a temple for idols,
And the pilgrim to Ka’bah,
And the tablets of the Torah,
And the Book of the Qur’an.
I follow the religion of Love:
Whatever way Love’s camel takes,
That is my religion and my faith.
All major religions believe in one God( Unity of Being) In the case of some religions like Hinduism and Catholicism great created Messiahs or Messengers have been equated with the Prime Mover: GOD ALMIGHTY.
Existence is common both in God and Messengers of God, But Gods existence is eternal, messengers and Messiahs have a limited period of earthly lives. Like other humans
As every human has a soul, the Universe has a soul, it is like the relation that the embryo has with its mother when both are mixed up with each other. Jesus is like an embryo, he has a relation with the metaphorical father ( GOD ALMIGHTY), but the embryo’s relation is limited after the birth.
Human intellect can reach what is called the universal soul( Hindus call it Nirvana, Christians call it son ship) but it can not move a step further. God is incomparable and unfathomable. God is not the Universe, the Ultimate reality is still very, very far away.
When a great messenger is born ( Example Jesus) people came under the over weaning presumption that Jesus is the Incarnation of God Himself which was a great ignorance
People took the shadow of reality as Reality itself. It is similar to looking at the sun on a very huge mirror and imagining that it is the real sun
Jesus is an Ayah( a sign) of God Himself according to Islam. People took the shadow of reality as Reality itself.
The Creator and the phenomenal world are two phases of the same Reality
To treat the world as something separate from God would be duality but it is the duality of the aspects of the One Real Being.
According to him the truth is the inner aspect and created things are outward aspects of the same one being
The truth is the one in the State of Transcendence and the Creator is the many in the State of immanence That is manifestation of the Reality in the limited form.
Transcendence and immanence are two aspects of God
God exists within the universe embracing the whole universe in Himself.
God was the hidden Treasure He wanted to be known so He created the creation He revealed himself and the creation followed.
If the world has no existence of its own and if whatever we see is the fabrication of our own minds, all moral commandments of Revelation would be meaningless
How can God bestow reward and punishment on something non-existent.
What actually takes the form of existence is the reflection of the knowledge of God
Example : A reflection may be seen in the mirror clearly. Yet it can not be claimed that the object reflected in the mirror has actually assumed the existence in the mirror The object is merely reflected in the mirror and nothing more.
Hence the creation ( Jesus, Lord Rama Krishna ) is merely nominal, unreal, imaginary objectively non-existent. And God alone exists.
The Essence of God(Zat) and Existence are identical (but not equal )
The Essence comprehends the created things.
And so we see how this church was ever begat in the first place.
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